Joe speaks to Lord Peter Hain, who grew up in South Africa under apartheid rule before leaving for London with his family, was a leader in the protests against the South African cricket and rugby tours of the 60s and 70s. He then went on to become an MP, Secretary of State and now Labour peer. The discussion focuses on his two most recent books, The Rhino Conspiracy and his autobiography, A Pretoria Boy, and their themes of corruption in South Africa and the decades’ long fight against apartheid.